tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post5546607519311966820..comments2023-06-16T09:39:07.504-04:00Comments on Harpocrates Speaks: A Harsh Reality: Wakefield and Medical/Scientific FraudTodd W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-78383131747463986522011-01-12T22:41:48.907-05:002011-01-12T22:41:48.907-05:00@Anonymous
Thanks for sharing. I started a new t...@Anonymous<br /><br />Thanks for sharing. I started a <a href="http://silencedbyageofautism.blogspot.com/2011/01/censored-on-autism-advocacy.html" rel="nofollow">new thread</a> to take comments on that article. Please copy your post over there, along with the approximate date/time you posted.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-10476062494016450142011-01-12T19:52:12.016-05:002011-01-12T19:52:12.016-05:00Hi Todd, I just tried to post a comment on this Ao...Hi Todd, I just tried to post a comment on this AoA thread: http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/autism-advocacy-organizations-and-parent-groups-support-dr-andrew-wakefield.html#comments<br /><br />But they have blocked me. This is the comment:<br /><br /><i>"@Estellea - you are right that independent research is of utmost importance, but that also applies to research independent of big pharma influence"<br /><br />@ Ann, I won't argue with that. However, if research that is 'tainted' with pharmaceutical association can be verified with outside sources or findings independently replicated, then that is not problematic. But let's not have a double-standard here; pharma ghost-writing is fraudulent, alteration of clinical trial results is fraudulent, non-publication of medically-relevant data is also fraudulent. Just as altering children's medical histories and clinical results to obtain pre-ordained results is fraudulent.</i><br /><br />It's hard to feel sorry for people who are wilfully delusional and dishonest. These people aren't merely sucked in by the vaccine-autism crowd, they fight to stay entrenched there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-61757446767002380502011-01-09T18:20:04.706-05:002011-01-09T18:20:04.706-05:00@Liz
Thanks for sharing. Very important to keep ...@Liz<br /><br />Thanks for sharing. Very important to keep in mind that while we may be angry with the leaders/instigators of the anti-vaccine movement, the parents who have been taken in by them deserve our compassion and respectful discourse.<br /><br />As I said in my post, if anyone did believe Wakefield and needs someone to talk to, I and others are quite willing to lend an ear.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-755584411468885542011-01-09T16:33:37.096-05:002011-01-09T16:33:37.096-05:00My IRL friend Shannon Rosa, whose middle child has...My IRL friend Shannon Rosa, whose middle child has intense autism, <a href="http://www.blogher.com/elaborate-fraud-linking-autism-vaccines" rel="nofollow">wrote this at BlogHer yesterday</a><br /><br /><br /><i>With criticism flying fast and thick in both directions, there is one thing we all need to remember when speaking to parents who still believe their child's autism was caused by vaccines: those people are in real pain. They want answers and need support. They are likely not getting either, except through the anti-vaccination movement's mostly negativity-filled channels, which is why they become so entrenched and remain in denial. But they are also the ones responsible for the upbringing of a child with autism. We need to be mindful of those children, and help their parents gravitate towards towards positive communities and attitudes, plus parent and adult autistic role models. I admire <a href="http://www.hopefulparents.org/" rel="nofollow">Hopeful Parents</a>, and also helped found <a href="http://thinkingautismguide.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">The Thinking Person's Guide to Autism</a> for this specific purpose.<br /></i><br /><br />The other point that is being obscured here: not all parents of children with autism -- no matter how intense or mild -- believe in the vaccine causation hypothesis. Some might be like Shannon, who used to believe in the vaccine theory but as she said "recovered her rational mind". Others never believed. And many adults with autism also never believed.<br /><br />Kev Leitch, the parent of a child with intense autism, has a <a href="http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2011/01/why-does-it-matter-what-happens-to-andrew-wakefield/" rel="nofollow">passionate post up</a> discussing the impact of Wakefield's fraud -- it has harmed people with autism because it has sucked time, money and attention away from useful research and useful investment into social supports.Liz Ditzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03455722013211350247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-52319358751189071642011-01-06T13:56:01.540-05:002011-01-06T13:56:01.540-05:00I haven't ventured over there. I'm not su...I haven't ventured over there. I'm not surprised that there would be a lot of anger right now. As I wrote, I think that people will slowly drift into one of the categories I discussed (or even some others). But, yeah, the whole "obsessed" charge goes both ways. When it's "your" side that sticks to it, it's simply perseverance and fortitude. When it's "Them", then it's creepy and obsessive. Now, Brian Deer, in his postings on various blogs, kinda irks me. He strikes me as a bit pompous, but that's just my feelings from how he writes. Doesn't change the facts that he's found, though, nor the quality of his articles for the Times.<br /><br />What it comes down to is, what are the verifiable facts; what's the evidence?<br /><br />And, yeah, I wouldn't put it past the AoA editors to quietly expunge any evidence of supporting Wakefield from their archives, except where it might benefit (one wonders how it would benefit) their anti-vaccine goals.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-31999623563511325492011-01-06T13:39:14.443-05:002011-01-06T13:39:14.443-05:00Have you been over to AoA lately? The commenters a...Have you been over to AoA lately? The commenters are becoming unhinged, to say the least. They are accusing Brian Deer of being "creepy" and "obsessed" with Andy. Yet they don't seem to think that JB or StagMom are in any way creepily obsessed with Dr. Offit. Hmmm?<br /><br />Someone over at "Insolence" wrote and is right: AoA will re-write history as soon as this blows over. They'll deny their savior before some pre-determined measurement of time based on the noise of an animal.Renhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165486823815850422noreply@blogger.com