tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post4531925170724024028..comments2023-06-16T09:39:07.504-04:00Comments on Harpocrates Speaks: Demystifying Vaccine Ingredients - MSGTodd W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-47155489460995593412016-10-22T15:14:49.861-04:002016-10-22T15:14:49.861-04:00"Vaccines are not safe and scientific evidenc..."Vaccines are not safe and scientific evidence is coming out."<br /><br />Oh, do tell us all about it! Provide us the PubMed indexed studies by reputable qualified researchers that any vaccine on the present American pediatric schedule causes more harm than the diseases. You made the claim, now you need to back it up with some real citations.<br /><br />"Just search aluminum aduvant toxicity in pubmed to see what I mean."<br /><br />Really? All we have seen are people comparing vaccine with intravenous feeding fluids for premature infants, which makes your "cannot compare ingestion of a substance to injection" claim kind of odd. And we also see "research" that was bought and paid for by the Dwoskin Family Foundation (which you can find by putting "Dwoskin" in the little search box at the top of this page).Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14428361191787397415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-43338469896021578562016-10-21T16:04:27.387-04:002016-10-21T16:04:27.387-04:00You do realize that you cannot compare ingestion o...You do realize that you cannot compare ingestion of a substance to injection? There are ways of easily protecting from heat and light and no reason that this should be added to vaccines considering the risks for questionable benefits. Vaccines are not safe and scientific evidence is coming out. Just search aluminum aduvant toxicity in pubmed to see what I mean.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02215689532917295637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-78954527401881034642016-07-19T13:45:35.256-04:002016-07-19T13:45:35.256-04:00MSG, L-Glutamate, etc., in our tomato juice, breas...MSG, L-Glutamate, etc., in our tomato juice, breast milk, tuna, and other foods? Interesting, I guess that it is safe to inject those too? Are any of the writers and readers here planning on taking the Offit Challenge? Recall, in an interview in Mothering Magazine, Offit said that a newborn could take at least 10,000 vaccines in one day without harm or injury. <br /><br />Please let me know if you would like to do it. I can even raise money for you. <br /><br />Best, <br /><br />John Calvin Jones - 956.622.4169Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15080661646231478643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-35765474118468616382014-11-19T16:15:12.356-05:002014-11-19T16:15:12.356-05:00Very good article
what isn't explored here is ...Very good article<br />what isn't explored here is the difference between the route of entry.<br />Ingestion of chemicals is very different thaninjection. <br />Ingesting MSG is quite different than injecting MSG. I believe there are mouse models showing this. Either way, using the digestive tract to introduce a chemical is quite different than injecting it intramuscularly.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12151266137843239785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-63075224630326534752014-08-06T08:11:43.711-04:002014-08-06T08:11:43.711-04:00Oh, and I might add, since you bring up money as a...Oh, and I might add, since you bring up money as an incentive, that I find it interesting you do not apply the same standard to the site you stole your text from. They have a product to sell, and their sales depend on people believing what they say about the purported evils of MSG.<br /><br />I, on the other hand, am not paid nor do I have anything to sell. I try to get my information from the scientific evidence, not salespeople.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-37037571587748520992014-08-06T08:10:08.489-04:002014-08-06T08:10:08.489-04:00@Cleric
Feel free to show, with evidence, where t...@Cleric<br /><br />Feel free to show, with evidence, where the FDA site is wrong. Here's a (small) study that examined the very question of whether bound glutamate and added free glutamate (MSG) were metabolized differently, leading to different amounts of glutamate in plasma and erythrocytes: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/112/10/1953.full.pdf. The authors found no difference.<br /><br />Rather than using the rather quaint and dishonest tactic of poisoning the well with the shill gambit, why not address my points with, y'know, science? I'm open to changing my mind as the evidence warrants; I'm not wedded to an ideology.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-36696247979072832822014-08-06T03:34:28.541-04:002014-08-06T03:34:28.541-04:00Are you actually sending me to FDA website??? Grea...Are you actually sending me to FDA website??? Great now I know for sure msg is safe... Do you get paid by spreading lies?...disinfoClerichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01846828569892698317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-25913806724161883552014-08-05T22:25:41.501-04:002014-08-05T22:25:41.501-04:00@Cleric
MSG added to foods is predominantly L-glu...@Cleric<br /><br />MSG added to foods is predominantly L-glutamate, not D-glutamate, since it is L-glutamate that gives the flavor. It's fermented foods, like soy sauce, that have higher amounts of D-glutamate. So, that's the first thing.<br /><br />Second, do not plagiarize. If you are going to quote another page, give proper attribution or your comment will be removed.<br /><br />Third, the source you stole from actually has some errors. For instance, they state that pyroglutamic acid does not occur naturally in plants or animals, but it does (http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/102/02/0288.pdf). It also suggests that MSG is "toxic", a common gambit used to demonize substances that are synthesized in a lab, despite their being chemically identical to the naturally occurring chemical. This ignores what I already mentioned above, that the dose makes the poison. Small amounts do not cause adverse reactions for most people. Those who are sensitive to MSG generally have short-lived mild to moderate symptoms that resolve on their own, and there is even some question as to whether this is truly a causative effect or not. Finally, it argues that additive MSG is chemically different than that which occurs naturally in foods. This is not true, either (see http://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/foodadditivesingredients/ucm328728.htm).Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-76091200805952453312014-08-05T16:20:47.484-04:002014-08-05T16:20:47.484-04:00@Chi
thank you that I didn't have to write th...@Chi <br />thank you that I didn't have to write this, agree and would only ad <br /><br />Glutamic Acid - It Is Not MSG or Monosodium Glutamate<br /><br />There are two common forms of glutamic acid, L-glutamic acid and D-glutamic acid. L-glutamic acid found in protein is referred to as 'bound' or 'protein bound' glutamic acid. In real, natural foods amino acids are rarely free. Rather, they are linked or bound in long chains to other amino acids in peptides or proteins. D-glutamic acid 'outside of protein' or 'free glutamic acid' is artificially and chemically produced outside of the body. This is what is known as monosodium glutamate or MSG.Clerichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01846828569892698317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-6771618466680930042014-07-28T13:59:01.738-04:002014-07-28T13:59:01.738-04:00@Chi
Thank you for your comment, and apologies fo...@Chi<br /><br />Thank you for your comment, and apologies for the late reply. I've been a bit busy recently. To answer your questions:<br /><br />1. The chemical structure of man-made MSG is the same as naturally occurring MSG: C5H8NNaO4. If the chemical structure were different, it would be a completely different substance and have a different name. If I take hydrogen and oxygen and apply heat, I synthesize water. That water is "man-made", yet it is no different from naturally occurring water. Both are H2O.<br /><br />2. Whether synthesized by humans in a lab or naturally occurring in our food, MSG is metabolized the same way. Since the chemical structures are the same, there isn't a difference.<br /><br />3. Both glutamic acid and its salt, MSG, occur naturally in our diets. When food proteins are broken down, some of the byproduct of that process is the production of the glutamic acid salt (MSG). (<a href="http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/May/05050601.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/May/05050601.asp</a> and <a href="http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/addit/msg_qa-qr-eng.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/addit/msg_qa-qr-eng.php</a>).<br /><br />For further reading on "natural" vs. "man-made" chemicals, you might be interested in this: <a href="http://www.compoundchem.com/2014/05/19/natural-vs-man-made-chemicals-dispelling-misconceptions/>http://www.compoundchem.com/2014/05/19/natural-vs-man-made-chemicals-dispelling-misconceptions/</a><br /><br />The key takeaway from my post is this: MSG is not the bogeyman a lot of people make it out to be. As with everything in your life, the dose makes the poison. Of course, if too much is consumed, it can cause adverse health effects, but it would take a <i>LOT</i> to do that. Our bodies create a certain amount of MSG, and we get some in our diets. When it comes to vaccines, not many actually use it, and the amounts found are miniscule fractions of the amounts that would cause adverse reactions. Give my article another read and follow all of the links I included. Hopefully it can help clear up any misconceptions you may have about the subject.<br /><br />Oh, and as a side note, your assertions about the CDC are incorrect. Please provide links to support your claims.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-7298383561299287342014-07-20T17:50:37.960-04:002014-07-20T17:50:37.960-04:00Todd W., I'm very interested in your responses...Todd W., I'm very interested in your responses to Chi's questions. Thank you Chi for bringing these forward. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00088430561639042036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-29756856558586362222014-07-13T15:25:10.723-04:002014-07-13T15:25:10.723-04:00This article seems to infer that MSG as the same a...This article seems to infer that MSG as the same as what naturally occurs in the body and in plants and other foods. <br />It seems also to infer that MSG is same as Glutamic Acid. <br />It seems to softly infer that allergies / sensitivities to MSG don't happen, or, don't have much impact.<br />And, that other harsh chemicals are just fine to insert into the body--no worries. <br />Has the author checked this with those studying Epigenomics?<br /><br />Please clarify:<br /><br />1. HOW is the molecular structure of man-made Monosodium Glutamate different from naturally occurring version? <br />=== I believe the structure is different than naturally occurring.<br /><br />2. HOW cleanly or perfectly does man-made MSG plug into receptor sites in the body, compared with the natural form? <br />=== I believe that the man-made molecular structures of MSG, and other man-made analogs of natural substances, are DIFFERENT, and therefore cannot cleanly, perfectly, plug into receptor sites; this leaves dangling bits that cause adverse effects.<br /><br />3. What FORM Naturally occurs in natural, unadulterated foods, mother's milk, etc.? <br /> Is that actually Glutamic Acid, or Monosodium-Glutamate?<br />=== I believe it's Glutamic Acid which naturally occurs, which cleanly plugs into receptor sites, and therefore causes far less adverse reactions when used in concentrated amounts. <br />BUT, since it was never meant to be used in concentrated amounts found in Food industry offerings, even the natural form can cause adverse reactions if given in concentrated doses. <br />ALSO, most people are mineral deficient, particularly in trace minerals. <br />When adequate trace minerals are given [such as from sea veggies/kelp], it markedly reduces or prevents the adverse effects of MSG, aspartame, etc.<br /><br />One can make convincing arguments about the safety of MSG or any man-made chemical or compound.. Many people will believe those arguments; usually those are people who never, or little, studied chemistry, have never dealt with whole industries and corporations protecting their profit margins, or how disinformation is salted into common lexicon, etc.<br /><br />IF MSG it is not identical to the molecular structure we need to consume, it fails to cleanly, perfectly plug into receptor sites.....but it DOES make a Patentable product.<br /><br />Any concentrated chemical we're exposed to in larger amounts--amounts that if we lived cleanly, we'd never be exposed to---can cause a problem in how or if the body can properly process it to protect the body from the harm chemicals can do.<br /><br />Certainly--EVERYthing is included in the broad umbrella of "chemistry".<br />But our bodies were never designed to handle the amount of man-made, very stable chemical combos we're daily exposed to. <br />The Cumulative and Additive effects are swamping us all, to one degree or another.<br /><br />Illnesses caused by, and added to, by exposure to too much and too many man-made chemicals and far higher concentrations, are helping rapidly implode our medical, disability and economic systems. People are being disabled by too much exposure to too many chemicals; the per-capita numbers are swelling fast, yet sliding under the radar.<br />Even the CDC admitted giving too many vaccines at once, is bad, that it exposed people/ kids with immature immune systems, to too high levels of the chemicals in the vaccines given in large batches, not to mention expecting that immature immune systems can handle large batches of vaccines themselves.<br />...Yet CDC still promotes giving large batches, to gain compliance, even though they admitted there is connection between vaccines and the drastic rise in ASD, for instance.<br /><br />Chihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00989740514345768971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-26701547231806893992013-11-23T17:19:29.529-05:002013-11-23T17:19:29.529-05:00I haven't covered any of the ingredients besid...I haven't covered any of the ingredients besides MSG and formaldehyde, yet. But I plan on doing more of these when I am feeling particularly motivated. They're a lot of work.Todd W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16192694127268195554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3609683919099708226.post-14198707391363346662013-11-23T13:32:06.067-05:002013-11-23T13:32:06.067-05:00Thanks for providing this information. I think mor...Thanks for providing this information. I think more information like this is needed! Have you done this for other ingredients besides formaldehyde? I'd be interested in reading them.Drihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14077973864147414437noreply@blogger.com